[rust]

Version 1.1
To Stop any future Confusion, I am making this thread on all Clone Commanders and their Legion Grunts.

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FAQ
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Q: Aren't all clones white? Don't all Commanders have a yellow stripe?
A: No. The Clones coloring depends on the Legion they're in. Cody and Fox's Legion Grunts are Orange Striped. Gree's are camo colored Scout Troopers.

All Clone Commanders are different. For example, Thire has a red Color scheme, while Bly looks like Thire except he has a Yellow Color Scheme. But Bacara has some weird thing on his helmet and a white color scheme.

Q: What's a Legion Grunt?
A: A Soldier in a specific Commander's Legion.

If there are any more Questions, please PM them to me.

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Picture, Number, and Legion List
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http://i2.photobucke...k_M/Clones5.jpg

Name: Commander Bacara
Number: 1138
Legion Grunt: http://img93.echo.cx...alegion24he.jpg
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http://img93.echo.cx...030/cody4zj.jpg

Name: Commander Cody
Number: 2224
Legion Grunt: http://img93.echo.cx...dylegion5yf.jpg
Facts: Lieutenant Fox (http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo01/34/c4/3c62e52f1afc.jpg?_rh=69d915ftb3nana18l23rtrfr9) is Second-in-command of Cody's Legion. Image of Fox provided by Strato of rocuniverse.com.
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http://img93.echo.cx...98/thire6bo.jpg

Name: Commander Thire
Number: Unknown
Legion Grunt: http://img93.echo.cx...relegion2qx.jpg
Facts: This is one of them most controversial Clone Commanders. Thire is commonly confused with Bly. Also, the image fo his Legion Grunt is unknown if it is his Legion Grunt. The Legion Grunt image is a still from an early animatic.
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http://img93.echo.cx...9207/bly1ub.jpg

Name: Bly
Number: 5052
Legion Grunt: http://img93.echo.cx...lylegion2fy.jpg
Facts: Bly is commonly confused with Thire. Bly's Legion Grunt looks exactly him him, except Bly has a yellow breath filter.
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http://i2.photobucke...k_M/Clones4.jpg

Name: Gree
Number: 1004
Legion Grunt: http://img93.echo.cx...eelegion4eu.jpg
http://img.photobuck...ooper-Green.jpg
Facts: The Second Legion Grunt (The one in the Regualr Clone Armor, not Scout) drives the Clone Swamp Speeder (http://img93.echo.cx/img93/8285/swampspeeder8af.jpg). The First Scout Like Clone, sometimes, drives a BARC Speeder (http://img93.echo.cx/img93/4964/barc7cp.jpg).
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http://img93.echo.cx...412/neyo6sa.jpg

Name: Neyo
Number: Unknown
Legion Grunt: A Clear Picture of this Grunt has not surfaced. Imagine a Target Clone with Neyo's Head.
Facts: The Target Clone is not an accurate portrayl of Neyo's Legion Grunt.
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http://img.photobuck...onetroopers.jpg

Name: Appo
Number: 1119
Legion Grunt: Looks the same as Appo.
Facts: Appo is the commander of the 501st Legion of Clone Troopers (And later stormtroopers). This legion becomes known as Vader's Fist after the Jedi Temple Attack.
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(Unknown Commander)

Name: (Unknown)
Number (Unknown)
Legion Grunt: http://members.veriz...e3rhnb/grey.jpg
Facts: Image Screengrabbed by Rebelscummer Biz_Markiee
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Other Clones and Vehicles
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Clone Sniper
Facts: Allowed more freedom than Clone Troopers, if these snipers were on your trail, you were already dead.

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http://img93.echo.cx...ktrooper5rf.jpg

Clone Shocktroopers
Facts: Shocktroopers are the Police of Coruscant. Deployed by the HomeWorld Security Command, these clones patrol public plazas and government buildings.

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http://img93.echo.cx...nepilots6lm.jpg

Clone Pilots
Facts: These pilots drive ARC-170s and Republic Gunships.

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http://img.photobuck...otankdriver.jpg

Turbo Tank Driver
Facts: Drive Juggernauts or Turbo Tanks.

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http://img.photobuck...isode3at-rt.jpg

AT-RT and AT-RT Pilot

Facts: Based on the AT-XT, and is Predecessor to the AT-ST.

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http://www.hasbro.co...ws/85569_sm.jpg

Jet Trooper
Facts: Not seen in movie. Unknown if these actually exist.

[DPrime]

Thanks for the info.

Just wondering, though - what are your sources on this? I do believe (not entirely sure, though), that the ROTS Visual Dictionary had a picture of a Neyo grunt with the regular helmet, hence the Target figure.

I just came back from watching the movie again and I can say definitively that we don't see them in it - the only time you even see Neyo is when he's on a speeder bike. The Clone that's with him may have a mask similar to his (although it was very hard to see) but then that may be just another officer in his legion.

Also, I still can't find the red Clone Commander in the movie...

[rust]

DPrime, on May 24 2005, 09:55 PM, said:

Thanks for the info.

Just wondering, though - what are your sources on this? I do believe (not entirely sure, though), that the ROTS Visual Dictionary had a picture of a Neyo grunt with the regular helmet, hence the Target figure.

I just came back from watching the movie again and I can say definitively that we don't see them in it - the only time you even see Neyo is when he's on a speeder bike. The Clone that's with him may have a mask similar to his (although it was very hard to see) but then that may be just another officer in his legion.

I'm still not sure on Neyo's legion.

Update: Upgraded to Version 1.1! There's a more clear picture of Bacara's Legion Grunt and a new Legion Grunt.

[JoeRhyno]

I think Bly's grunts dont have the visor thingie too, at least that one next to Aalya in the movie doesnt
-Joe

[DPrime]

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I think Bly's grunts dont have the visor thingie too, at least that one next to Aalya in the movie doesnt

Good call - you're right about that. Although they do seem to have pauldrons - do you think maybe they were a bunch of officers or NCOs with him?

[Skull Leader]

Very very informative. Nice job Rust. Were the clone snipers ever in the movie??

[KJ_81]

Very nice list.
But the Hasbro toy listed the Clone Commander as more of a generic figure, and the Visual Dictionary didn't give him a name either, though it named all the other Commanders featured, maybe that could be mentioned?

[wolvie]

cool, thanks for the info

[rust]

DPrime, on May 24 2005, 11:00 PM, said:

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I think Bly's grunts dont have the visor thingie too, at least that one next to Aalya in the movie doesnt

Good call - you're right about that. Although they do seem to have pauldrons - do you think maybe they were a bunch of officers or NCOs with him?

They're all Bly's Legion Grunts. They also have their pauldrons on the left side, as opposed to Bly's right side pauldron.

SL: No. They were on the Episdoe 3 Game Site for a while. Now they're gone.

[Brian Langlois]

You seem to know a lot about the Clones. Could you clarify for me what the ARC Troopers were used for and who they are. Who is the Red Commander from the Clone Wars TV series? Who is the ARC Trooper called Alpha? I have been greatly confused by this.

[KENNY GUIDO]

hold on.......3rd generation clones?

weve only gotten the 1st and 2nd generations, no? the 3rd, if any......would take place after E3 & before E4.

[wolvie]

KENNY GUIDO, on May 25 2005, 03:15 PM, said:

hold on.......3rd generation clones?

weve only gotten the 1st and 2nd generations, no? the 3rd, if any......would take place after E3 & before E4.

unless hes talking about stormtroopers, but they arnt clones

[KENNY GUIDO]

wolvie, on May 25 2005, 03:23 PM, said:

KENNY GUIDO, on May 25 2005, 03:15 PM, said:

hold on.......3rd generation clones?

weve only gotten the 1st and 2nd generations, no? the 3rd, if any......would take place after E3 & before E4.

unless hes talking about stormtroopers, but they arnt clones

yup! that would be the 1st gen. stormtrooper.

[Lord Amron]

Brian Langlois, on May 25 2005, 03:05 PM, said:

You seem to know a lot about the Clones. Could you clarify for me what the ARC Troopers were used for and who they are. Who is the Red Commander from the Clone Wars TV series? Who is the ARC Trooper called Alpha? I have been greatly confused by this.

ARC Troopers are clones personally trained by Jango Fett. They lack a regular clones ingrained obediance and were designed for solo mission where direction and independence were needed. Are were "Jango Lite" and displayed his mannerisms and attitudes making them hard to control at times (they were still loyal soldiers but their unpredictability made them loose cannons). In SW Republic #50 the Seps invaded Kamino forcing the activation of the ARCs. After the battle they were farmed out to various hotspots for battlefield experience. The ARC Alpha was assigned to Anakin and Obi-won when they went to Naboo. He hung out with them for awhile before going the other ARCs back on Kamino to train the 2nd and 3rd gen clones. ARCs shared their battlefield expirience with the new clone commanders, becoming boot camp instructors and possibly informing the commanders what to expect from Jedi (possibly in anticipation for Order 66). The 3rd gen clones are the Clone Commaders we see in ROTS (although not all 3 Gen clones are Fett Clones). They are essentially ARCs but are not as roguish (possibly to allay Jedi watching them to closely)and display a more "shut up and color mentality". I think the 3rd Gen ARC were tweaked a little bit to make sure they were more obediant to Jedi and Order 66.

[rust]

Okay, let's straighten this out.

1. 1st Gen wer the ones used on Geonosis. 2nd Gen wer the '100 Million More' that the Kamionians were talking about. 3rd Gen is ROTS Troops.

2. ARC Troopers are exact clones of Jango Fett except they have excellerated growth. When I say exact, I mean exact. Order 66 was not programmed into the ARCs. There were 13 ARC Troopers Cloned, 11 still around.

[Lord Amron]

rust, on May 25 2005, 06:47 PM, said:

Okay, let's straighten this out.

1. 1st Gen wer the ones used on Geonosis. 2nd Gen wer the '100 Million More' that the Kamionians were talking about. 3rd Gen is ROTS Troops.

2. ARC Troopers are exact clones of Jango Fett except they have excellerated growth. When I say exact, I mean exact. Order 66 was not programmed into the ARCs. There were 13 ARC Troopers Cloned, 11 still around.

But keep in mind Clone Commmanders also received additional training. Never said ARCs here programmed with Order 66 but I'm sure they knew about it and gave 3rd gen clones keen insight on what to expect from Jedi as leaders, comrades, and targets.

[rust]

Lord Amron, on May 25 2005, 06:58 PM, said:

rust, on May 25 2005, 06:47 PM, said:

Okay, let's straighten this out.

1. 1st Gen wer the ones used on Geonosis. 2nd Gen wer the '100 Million More' that the Kamionians were talking about. 3rd Gen is ROTS Troops.

2. ARC Troopers are exact clones of Jango Fett except they have excellerated growth. When I say exact, I mean exact. Order 66 was not programmed into the ARCs. There were 13 ARC Troopers Cloned, 11 still around.

But keep in mind Clone Commmanders also received additional training. Never said ARCs here programmed with Order 66 but I'm sure they knew about it and gave 3rd gen clones keen insight on what to expect from Jedi as leaders, comrades, and targets.

Doubtlful they knew. If Alpha knew, he would have told Anakin eventually cuz they became friends over time.

Guide updated to Version 1.2 with a picture of Lieutenant Fox.

[obiprime]

Wo where did this guy come from. Was he in the movie? What part?

[Lord Amron]

rust, on May 25 2005, 07:17 PM, said:

Lord Amron, on May 25 2005, 06:58 PM, said:

rust, on May 25 2005, 06:47 PM, said:

Okay, let's straighten this out.

1. 1st Gen wer the ones used on Geonosis. 2nd Gen wer the '100 Million More' that the Kamionians were talking about. 3rd Gen is ROTS Troops.

2. ARC Troopers are exact clones of Jango Fett except they have excellerated growth. When I say exact, I mean exact. Order 66 was not programmed into the ARCs. There were 13 ARC Troopers Cloned, 11 still around.

But keep in mind Clone Commmanders also received additional training. Never said ARCs here programmed with Order 66 but I'm sure they knew about it and gave 3rd gen clones keen insight on what to expect from Jedi as leaders, comrades, and targets.

Doubtlful they knew. If Alpha knew, he would have told Anakin eventually cuz they became friends over time.

Guide updated to Version 1.2 with a picture of Lieutenant Fox.

No he wouldn't because:
1. being personally trained by Jango Fett would have probably opened them up to his feelings on Jedi. Remember Jango knew the real purpose for the clones. As such at least one ARC deserted completly.
2. As evidence in ROTS friends mean nothing...comrades of course but not friends. As seen with Order 66, orders come before "friendship".
3. ARCs where bred to be independant and if need be decietful. I recall one story in SW Insider where a bunch of ARCs pretended to be normal clones and kept the ruse up until the very end of the story.
4. Alpha died a few month before ROTS.

[Brian Langlois]

So, who is the Red ARC Commander on Munilist in the first episodes of Clone Wars? Is that Alpha too? Is he the same one who later rescues Ki Adi Mundi from Greivous? Just curious.

[rust]

Brian Langlois, on May 26 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

So, who is the Red ARC Commander on Munilist in the first episodes of Clone Wars? Is that Alpha too? Is he the same one who later rescues Ki Adi Mundi from Greivous? Just curious.

Nope... Different guy.

obiprime: He's Bacara's Legion Grunt.

[Cyber Bishop]

obiprime, on May 25 2005, 07:02 PM, said:

(looks at the numbers on the top..)
I have that also.. COOL!

Thanks for the info about the troopers. I want to work on a Cody clone soon.

[Aku Inu]

Here is a close up Neyo I scanned:

http://www.ccp.com/~...p/clonehead.jpg

I seem to remember seeing two troopers with Cody that had the same (or similar) helmet as the clone you are identified as Lieutenant Fox. I will have to look closer when I watch this weekend and see if they where in the same scene or I am just getting mixed up. Any idea who this could be?

[obiprime]

Cyber Bishop, on May 26 2005, 10:26 PM, said:

 

Okay I saw him this is one of the Guys who kills Jedi Master Ki Adi Mundi, aka cone head. But its a shame, if you blink you will miss them. They should have gotten way more screen time.

[Skull Leader]

StarWars.com has a full background story on Gree now, no other commanders are there though.